Discussion:
lyx on Mac - blurred fonts
Tino Langer
2014-10-05 19:47:16 UTC
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Hi all,

I just installed lyx 2.1.2 on OSX 10.9.5, using MacTeX in background.

I’m a little bit confused because the font in the editor area and also the icons at the toolbar are very blurred. Are there any options I have to change to get antialiased fonts and clear icons?

Thanks a lot! - Tino
Stephan Witt
2014-10-06 05:28:23 UTC
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Post by Tino Langer
Hi all,
I just installed lyx 2.1.2 on OSX 10.9.5, using MacTeX in background.
I’m a little bit confused because the font in the editor area and also the icons at the toolbar are very blurred. Are there any options I have to change to get antialiased fonts and clear icons?
Thanks a lot! - Tino
Hi Tino,

you're using a display with very high resolution, the so called Retina-display.
LyX isn't ready to display the contents of the work area and the icons on
a Mac with Retina display. So, no, there is no option to enable the display
with full screen resolution on your Mac. You have to wait for a new version
of LyX.

Stephan
Christopher Menzel
2014-10-06 19:31:45 UTC
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Is there an ETA for a retina-supported version? :-)

Thanks!

-chris
Post by Stephan Witt
Post by Tino Langer
Hi all,
I just installed lyx 2.1.2 on OSX 10.9.5, using MacTeX in background.
I’m a little bit confused because the font in the editor area and also the icons at the toolbar are very blurred. Are there any options I have to change to get antialiased fonts and clear icons?
Thanks a lot! - Tino
Hi Tino,
you're using a display with very high resolution, the so called Retina-display.
LyX isn't ready to display the contents of the work area and the icons on
a Mac with Retina display. So, no, there is no option to enable the display
with full screen resolution on your Mac. You have to wait for a new version
of LyX.
Stephan
Julio Rojas
2014-10-08 00:43:42 UTC
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Why is it so different from a regular display? Is it due to libraries?

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Julio Rojas
Post by Christopher Menzel
Is there an ETA for a retina-supported version? :-)
Thanks!
-chris
Hi all,
I just installed lyx 2.1.2 on OSX 10.9.5, using MacTeX in background.
I’m a little bit confused because the font in the editor area and also the icons at the toolbar are very blurred. Are there any options I have to change to get antialiased fonts and clear icons?
Thanks a lot! - Tino
Hi Tino,
you're using a display with very high resolution, the so called Retina-display.
LyX isn't ready to display the contents of the work area and the icons on
a Mac with Retina display. So, no, there is no option to enable the display
with full screen resolution on your Mac. You have to wait for a new version
of LyX.
Stephan
Stephan Witt
2014-10-08 05:46:02 UTC
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Post by Julio Rojas
Why is it so different from a regular display? Is it due to libraries?
Retina-support is somewhat special because it's not simply doubling
the display resolution. There is a compatibility layer to enable it
for applications with retina support only. There are some reasons for
this.

See the details here:
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/GraphicsAnimation/Conceptual/HighResolutionOSX/Introduction/Introduction.html
Post by Julio Rojas
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Julio Rojas
Is there an ETA for a retina-supported version? :-)
Yes, I'm working on it and hopefully there is a first version around christmas.

Stephan
Post by Julio Rojas
Thanks!
-chris
Post by Stephan Witt
Post by Tino Langer
Hi all,
I just installed lyx 2.1.2 on OSX 10.9.5, using MacTeX in background.
I’m a little bit confused because the font in the editor area and also the icons at the toolbar are very blurred. Are there any options I have to change to get antialiased fonts and clear icons?
Thanks a lot! - Tino
Hi Tino,
you're using a display with very high resolution, the so called Retina-display.
LyX isn't ready to display the contents of the work area and the icons on
a Mac with Retina display. So, no, there is no option to enable the display
with full screen resolution on your Mac. You have to wait for a new version
of LyX.
Stephan
Chris Menzel
2014-10-08 08:41:58 UTC
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Post by Stephan Witt
Post by Christopher Menzel
Is there an ETA for a retina-supported version? :-)
Yes, I'm working on it and hopefully there is a first version around christmas.
Excellent news! I haven't found lack of retina support to be intolerable,
fortunately -- it's not terribly noticeable if you aren't working to close
to the screen. But it will be really nice to have the super sharp fonts and
graphics that make the retina displays such a pleasure to use.

-chris
Langer, Tino
2014-10-09 09:20:31 UTC
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Hi Stephan,

many thanks for the information. You are right - I'm using a display
with high resolution - so I understand the problem. Is there a
approximately time schedule to adapt the current version of lyx to
support Retina-Displays?

Greetings - all the best! - Tino
Post by Stephan Witt
Post by Tino Langer
Hi all,
I just installed lyx 2.1.2 on OSX 10.9.5, using MacTeX in background.
I’m a little bit confused because the font in the editor area and also the icons at the toolbar are very blurred. Are there any options I have to change to get antialiased fonts and clear icons?
Thanks a lot! - Tino
Hi Tino,
you're using a display with very high resolution, the so called Retina-display.
LyX isn't ready to display the contents of the work area and the icons on
a Mac with Retina display. So, no, there is no option to enable the display
with full screen resolution on your Mac. You have to wait for a new version
of LyX.
Stephan
Christopher Menzel
2014-10-09 15:27:02 UTC
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He said around Christmas.

-chris
Post by Langer, Tino
Hi Stephan,
many thanks for the information. You are right - I'm using a display
with high resolution - so I understand the problem. Is there a
approximately time schedule to adapt the current version of lyx to
support Retina-Displays?
Greetings - all the best! - Tino
Post by Stephan Witt
Post by Tino Langer
Hi all,
I just installed lyx 2.1.2 on OSX 10.9.5, using MacTeX in background.
I’m a little bit confused because the font in the editor area and
also the icons at the toolbar are very blurred. Are there any
options I have to change to get antialiased fonts and clear icons?
Thanks a lot! - Tino
Hi Tino,
you're using a display with very high resolution, the so called Retina-display.
LyX isn't ready to display the contents of the work area and the icons on
a Mac with Retina display. So, no, there is no option to enable the display
with full screen resolution on your Mac. You have to wait for a new version
of LyX.
Stephan
Rainer M Krug
2014-10-10 08:53:21 UTC
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Post by Christopher Menzel
He said around Christmas.
I am looking forward to this present...

Rainer
Post by Christopher Menzel
-chris
Post by Langer, Tino
Hi Stephan,
many thanks for the information. You are right - I'm using a display
with high resolution - so I understand the problem. Is there a
approximately time schedule to adapt the current version of lyx to
support Retina-Displays?
Greetings - all the best! - Tino
Post by Stephan Witt
Post by Tino Langer
Hi all,
I just installed lyx 2.1.2 on OSX 10.9.5, using MacTeX in background.
I’m a little bit confused because the font in the editor area and
also the icons at the toolbar are very blurred. Are there any
options I have to change to get antialiased fonts and clear icons?
Thanks a lot! - Tino
Hi Tino,
you're using a display with very high resolution, the so called Retina-display.
LyX isn't ready to display the contents of the work area and the icons on
a Mac with Retina display. So, no, there is no option to enable the display
with full screen resolution on your Mac. You have to wait for a new version
of LyX.
Stephan
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Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
2014-10-10 09:32:33 UTC
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Post by Rainer M Krug
Post by Christopher Menzel
He said around Christmas.
I am looking forward to this present...
We'll have to see what christmas :)

JMarc
Rainer M Krug
2014-10-10 09:55:32 UTC
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Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Post by Rainer M Krug
Post by Christopher Menzel
He said around Christmas.
I am looking forward to this present...
We'll have to see what christmas :)
True ...
Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
JMarc
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email: Rainer<at>krugs<dot>de
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Jerry
2014-10-16 03:38:36 UTC
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Post by Stephan Witt
Post by Tino Langer
Hi all,
I just installed lyx 2.1.2 on OSX 10.9.5, using MacTeX in background.
I’m a little bit confused because the font in the editor area and also the icons at the toolbar are very blurred. Are there any options I have to change to get antialiased fonts and clear icons?
Thanks a lot! - Tino
Hi Tino,
you're using a display with very high resolution, the so called Retina-display.
LyX isn't ready to display the contents of the work area and the icons on
a Mac with Retina display. So, no, there is no option to enable the display
with full screen resolution on your Mac. You have to wait for a new version
of LyX.
Stephan
Surely LyX on a Retina display is no worse than on a normal-resolution display, right?
Jerry
Julio Rojas
2014-10-20 12:44:58 UTC
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Unfortunately, it is so. My wife has both versions and Lyx on Retina is not
a useless application, but a very difficult one to work with.

-------------------------------------------------
Julio Rojas
Post by Tino Langer
Post by Stephan Witt
Post by Tino Langer
Hi all,
I just installed lyx 2.1.2 on OSX 10.9.5, using MacTeX in background.
I’m a little bit confused because the font in the editor area and also
the icons at the toolbar are very blurred. Are there any options I have to
change to get antialiased fonts and clear icons?
Post by Stephan Witt
Post by Tino Langer
Thanks a lot! - Tino
Hi Tino,
you're using a display with very high resolution, the so called
Retina-display.
Post by Stephan Witt
LyX isn't ready to display the contents of the work area and the icons on
a Mac with Retina display. So, no, there is no option to enable the
display
Post by Stephan Witt
with full screen resolution on your Mac. You have to wait for a new
version
Post by Stephan Witt
of LyX.
Stephan
Surely LyX on a Retina display is no worse than on a normal-resolution display, right?
Jerry
Christopher Menzel
2014-10-20 15:44:55 UTC
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Post by Julio Rojas
Unfortunately, it is so. My wife has both versions and Lyx on Retina
is not a useless application, but a very difficult one to work with.

My experience is quite different (though of course YMMV). There is no
doubt that the screen fonts in LyX ≀2.1.2 look much better on a
non-Retina display when examined close up; on a rMBP, the edges of font
characters and most icons are blurred and pixelated. But I find that,
with the right choice of screen fonts (notably, in my case, Georgia for
the main text font), if I am working at a comfortable distance from the
screen (including with the laptop in my lap), the blurred/pixelated
edges of the fonts are not noticeable. (For the record, my (corrected)
vision is very good.)

That said, there is little doubt that the LyX user experience on the
rMBP will be much better still when the version with Retina support
comes out, and I eagerly await it. (IIRC Stephan thinks that might be
around Christmas.)

Stephan (or anyone), quick question: Is there any reason to think screen
fonts in LyX 2.1.2 will look appreciably better or worse on a new
5k-Retina iMac than on a rMBP?

-chris
Post by Julio Rojas
Am 05.10.2014 um 21:47 schrieb Tino Langer
Post by Tino Langer
Hi all,
I just installed lyx 2.1.2 on OSX 10.9.5, using MacTeX in
background.
Post by Julio Rojas
Post by Tino Langer
I’m a little bit confused because the font in the editor
area and also the icons at the toolbar are very blurred. Are
there any options I have to change to get antialiased fonts and
clear icons?
Post by Julio Rojas
Post by Tino Langer
Thanks a lot! - Tino
Hi Tino,
you're using a display with very high resolution, the so
called Retina-display.
Post by Julio Rojas
LyX isn't ready to display the contents of the work area and
the icons on
Post by Julio Rojas
a Mac with Retina display. So, no, there is no option to
enable the display
Post by Julio Rojas
with full screen resolution on your Mac. You have to wait
for a new version
Post by Julio Rojas
of LyX.
Stephan
Surely LyX on a Retina display is no worse than on a
normal-resolution display, right?
Jerry
Stephan Witt
2014-10-20 15:56:17 UTC
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Unfortunately, it is so. My wife has both versions and Lyx on Retina is not a useless application, but a very difficult one to work with.
My experience is quite different (though of course YMMV). There is no doubt that the screen fonts in LyX ≤2.1.2 look much better on a non-Retina display when examined close up; on a rMBP, the edges of font characters and most icons are blurred and pixelated. But I find that, with the right choice of screen fonts (notably, in my case, Georgia for the main text font), if I am working at a comfortable distance from the screen (including with the laptop in my lap), the blurred/pixelated edges of the fonts are not noticeable. (For the record, my (corrected) vision is very good.)
That said, there is little doubt that the LyX user experience on the rMBP will be much better still when the version with Retina support comes out, and I eagerly await it. (IIRC Stephan thinks that might be around Christmas.)
Stephan (or anyone), quick question: Is there any reason to think screen fonts in LyX 2.1.2 will look appreciably better or worse on a new 5k-Retina iMac than on a rMBP?
Chris, frankly, I wasn't sure I understood Jerry's comment.
Perhaps he's talking about speed and not about crisp fonts.

To answer your question: I have to check it first.

Stephan
Surely LyX on a Retina display is no worse than on a normal-resolution display, right?
Jerry
Christopher Menzel
2014-10-20 16:42:24 UTC
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Post by Stephan Witt
Unfortunately, it is so. My wife has both versions and Lyx on Retina is not a useless application, but a very difficult one to work with.
My experience is quite different (though of course YMMV). There is no doubt that the screen fonts in LyX ≀2.1.2 look much better on a non-Retina display when examined close up; on a rMBP, the edges of font characters and most icons are blurred and pixelated. But I find that, with the right choice of screen fonts (notably, in my case, Georgia for the main text font), if I am working at a comfortable distance from the screen (including with the laptop in my lap), the blurred/pixelated edges of the fonts are not noticeable. (For the record, my (corrected) vision is very good.)
That said, there is little doubt that the LyX user experience on the rMBP will be much better still when the version with Retina support comes out, and I eagerly await it. (IIRC Stephan thinks that might be around Christmas.)
Stephan (or anyone), quick question: Is there any reason to think screen fonts in LyX 2.1.2 will look appreciably better or worse on a new 5k-Retina iMac than on a rMBP?
Chris, frankly, I wasn't sure I understood Jerry's comment.
Perhaps he's talking about speed and not about crisp fonts.
Ah, yes, that could be (subject of the thread notwithstanding). Typing
is a bit laggy on a rMBP (assuming that's the sort of thing you have in
mind by "speed"). Since I mostly use LyX for writing papers and I tend
to write rather haltingly, the lag is not usually noticeable. But if I
were using it for tasks where I wanted to type full speed, especially if
I were a really fast typist, I can see that lag could be pretty annoying.
Post by Stephan Witt
To answer your question: I have to check it first.
Thanks!

-chris
Stephen Buonopane
2014-10-20 19:06:26 UTC
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I have been following this thread (and past related ones) with great interest as I will be forced to upgrade to a retina Mac in the next 6 months or so.
Could someone post some screen shots that show the on-screen quality on a retina mac versus non-retina?
How is the image quality on a non-retina external display hooked up to a retina Mac?
Sounds like typing responsiveness is also an issue as well.

Steve
Post by Stephan Witt
Unfortunately, it is so. My wife has both versions and Lyx on Retina is not a useless application, but a very difficult one to work with.
My experience is quite different (though of course YMMV). There is no doubt that the screen fonts in LyX ≀2.1.2 look much better on a non-Retina display when examined close up; on a rMBP, the edges of font characters and most icons are blurred and pixelated. But I find that, with the right choice of screen fonts (notably, in my case, Georgia for the main text font), if I am working at a comfortable distance from the screen (including with the laptop in my lap), the blurred/pixelated edges of the fonts are not noticeable. (For the record, my (corrected) vision is very good.)
That said, there is little doubt that the LyX user experience on the rMBP will be much better still when the version with Retina support comes out, and I eagerly await it. (IIRC Stephan thinks that might be around Christmas.)
Stephan (or anyone), quick question: Is there any reason to think screen fonts in LyX 2.1.2 will look appreciably better or worse on a new 5k-Retina iMac than on a rMBP?
Chris, frankly, I wasn't sure I understood Jerry's comment.
Perhaps he's talking about speed and not about crisp fonts.
Ah, yes, that could be (subject of the thread notwithstanding). Typing is a bit laggy on a rMBP (assuming that's the sort of thing you have in mind by "speed"). Since I mostly use LyX for writing papers and I tend to write rather haltingly, the lag is not usually noticeable. But if I were using it for tasks where I wanted to type full speed, especially if I were a really fast typist, I can see that lag could be pretty annoying.
Post by Stephan Witt
To answer your question: I have to check it first.
Thanks!
-chris
Chris Menzel
2014-10-20 19:29:27 UTC
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Since Stephan Witt has said LyX will be updated to accommodate Retina
displays within the next couple of months, it seems to me that that will
address your concerns about upgrading to a rMBP. As to your question, fonts
render normally on a non-Retina external monitor hooked up to a rMBP.

-chris
Post by Stephen Buonopane
I have been following this thread (and past related ones) with great
interest as I will be forced to upgrade to a retina Mac in the next 6
months or so.
Could someone post some screen shots that show the on-screen quality on a
retina mac versus non-retina?
How is the image quality on a non-retina external display hooked up to a retina Mac?
Sounds like typing responsiveness is also an issue as well.
Steve
Unfortunately, it is so. My wife has both versions and Lyx on Retina is not a useless application, but a very difficult one to work with.
My experience is quite different (though of course YMMV). There is no doubt that the screen fonts in LyX ≀2.1.2 look much better on a non-Retina display when examined close up; on a rMBP, the edges of font characters and most icons are blurred and pixelated. But I find that, with the right choice of screen fonts (notably, in my case, Georgia for the main text font), if I am working at a comfortable distance from the screen (including with the laptop in my lap), the blurred/pixelated edges of the fonts are not noticeable. (For the record, my (corrected) vision is very good.)
That said, there is little doubt that the LyX user experience on the rMBP will be much better still when the version with Retina support comes out, and I eagerly await it. (IIRC Stephan thinks that might be around Christmas.)
Stephan (or anyone), quick question: Is there any reason to think screen fonts in LyX 2.1.2 will look appreciably better or worse on a new 5k-Retina iMac than on a rMBP?
Chris, frankly, I wasn't sure I understood Jerry's comment.
Perhaps he's talking about speed and not about crisp fonts.
Ah, yes, that could be (subject of the thread notwithstanding). Typing is
a bit laggy on a rMBP (assuming that's the sort of thing you have in mind
by "speed"). Since I mostly use LyX for writing papers and I tend to write
rather haltingly, the lag is not usually noticeable. But if I were using it
for tasks where I wanted to type full speed, especially if I were a really
fast typist, I can see that lag could be pretty annoying.
To answer your question: I have to check it first.
Thanks!
-chris
Paola Manzini
2014-10-20 20:18:29 UTC
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Hi all, I do have a macbook pro with retina display running Mavericks,
and I never noticed any lags, nor does the "blurriness' bother me to the
point of not being able to work on it.

I also have a windows machine with high resolution display, and on that
one LyX is unusable, the icons are just too tiny. On the MPBr yes the
font is not neat, but I can sure work on it. Anyhow, as this may very
well be a matter of taste, here is a link to little video of how LyX
looks on my machine while I type, so you can judge for yourself:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qtkozxjx335617j/LyxOnRetina.mov?dl=0

Best,
paola
Post by Chris Menzel
Since Stephan Witt has said LyX will be updated to accommodate Retina
displays within the next couple of months, it seems to me that that
will address your concerns about upgrading to a rMBP. As to your
question, fonts render normally on a non-Retina external monitor
hooked up to a rMBP.
-chris
I have been following this thread (and past related ones) with
great interest as I will be forced to upgrade to a retina Mac in
the next 6 months or so.
Could someone post some screen shots that show the on-screen
quality on a retina mac versus non-retina?
How is the image quality on a non-retina external display hooked
up to a retina Mac?
Sounds like typing responsiveness is also an issue as well.
Steve
Post by Christopher Menzel
Post by Stephan Witt
Unfortunately, it is so. My wife has both versions and Lyx on Retina is not a useless application, but a very difficult one to work with.
My experience is quite different (though of course YMMV). There is no doubt that the screen fonts in LyX ≀2.1.2 look much better on a non-Retina display when examined close up; on a rMBP, the edges of font characters and most icons are blurred and pixelated. But I find that, with the right choice of screen fonts (notably, in my case, Georgia for the main text font), if I am working at a comfortable distance from the screen (including with the laptop in my lap), the blurred/pixelated edges of the fonts are not noticeable. (For the record, my (corrected) vision is very good.)
That said, there is little doubt that the LyX user experience on the rMBP will be much better still when the version with Retina support comes out, and I eagerly await it. (IIRC Stephan thinks that might be around Christmas.)
Stephan (or anyone), quick question: Is there any reason to think screen fonts in LyX 2.1.2 will look appreciably better or worse on a new 5k-Retina iMac than on a rMBP?
Chris, frankly, I wasn't sure I understood Jerry's comment.
Perhaps he's talking about speed and not about crisp fonts.
Ah, yes, that could be (subject of the thread notwithstanding).
Typing is a bit laggy on a rMBP (assuming that's the sort of
thing you have in mind by "speed"). Since I mostly use LyX for
writing papers and I tend to write rather haltingly, the lag is
not usually noticeable. But if I were using it for tasks where I
wanted to type full speed, especially if I were a really fast
typist, I can see that lag could be pretty annoying.
Post by Stephan Witt
To answer your question: I have to check it first.
Thanks!
-chris
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