Apacite and Lyx

[Christian Brodbeck]

Hello,

I need citations according to APA standard for a thesis. Does anyone
have experience with that?

From what information I could find, apacite would do it, but I could
not find any information online on how to get it to work with Lyx.

Specifically, apacite seems to use different latex comands. Apacite
requires \cite for notmal citation and \citeA for citation in text
(parentheses only around year). However, Lyx generates either only
\cite command (default bibliography) or \citet and \citep for natbib,
and uses a different parenthesis structure for additional arguments.

Does anybody know a way to work around this?

In principe it seems like it should not be difficult to add the option
to Lyx to write \citeA instead of \citep commands. I myself can only
program python though (if that function would actually be acessible in
python could anyone point me to where I coud find it?).


Best,
Christian

[rgheck]

Post by Christian Brodbeck
Hello,
I need citations according to APA standard for a thesis. Does anyone
have experience with that?
From what information I could find, apacite would do it, but I could
not find any information online on how to get it to work with Lyx.
Specifically, apacite seems to use different latex comands. Apacite
requires \cite for notmal citation and \citeA for citation in text
(parentheses only around year). However, Lyx generates either only
\cite command (default bibliography) or \citet and \citep for natbib,
and uses a different parenthesis structure for additional arguments.
Does anybody know a way to work around this?
In principe it seems like it should not be difficult to add the option
to Lyx to write \citeA instead of \citep commands. I myself can only
program python though (if that function would actually be acessible in
python could anyone point me to where I coud find it?).

If that's all it would take, you could put
\let\citep=\citeA
in your preamble. That makes \citep a kind of alias for \citeA. If that
doesn't work, maybe you could produce some slightly more complicated
redefinition of \citep that would work.

That said, did you try choosing apalike as your citation style? I don't
know how close that will get you....

Right now, producing new bibliography formats is kind of complicated. I
have been meaning to work on that, but have had too much else to do.

rh

[Christian Brodbeck]

Thanks, that's a good start. Now Apacite also uses different brackets
for comments on the reference (like "e.g.") than Lyx's natbib
( \citeA<pre>[post]{ref} vs. \cite[pre][post] ). Is there a way to
redefine these as well? The problem with apalike is that it does not
quote all authors the first time an article with >2 authors is quoted.

Cheers,
Christian

Post by rgheck

Post by Christian Brodbeck
Hello,
I need citations according to APA standard for a thesis. Does
anyone have experience with that?
From what information I could find, apacite would do it, but I
could not find any information online on how to get it to work with
Lyx.
Specifically, apacite seems to use different latex comands. Apacite
requires \cite for notmal citation and \citeA for citation in text
(parentheses only around year). However, Lyx generates either only
\cite command (default bibliography) or \citet and \citep for
natbib, and uses a different parenthesis structure for additional
arguments.
Does anybody know a way to work around this?
In principe it seems like it should not be difficult to add the
option to Lyx to write \citeA instead of \citep commands. I myself
can only program python though (if that function would actually be
acessible in python could anyone point me to where I coud find it?).

If that's all it would take, you could put
\let\citep=\citeA
in your preamble. That makes \citep a kind of alias for \citeA. If
that doesn't work, maybe you could produce some slightly more
complicated redefinition of \citep that would work.
That said, did you try choosing apalike as your citation style? I
don't know how close that will get you....
Right now, producing new bibliography formats is kind of
complicated. I have been meaning to work on that, but have had too
much else to do.
rh

[rgheck]

Post by Christian Brodbeck
Thanks, that's a good start. Now Apacite also uses different brackets
for comments on the reference (like "e.g.") than Lyx's natbib (
\citeA<pre>[post]{ref} vs. \cite[pre][post] ). Is there a way to
redefine these as well?

Yes, but that's going to be a lot more complicated, I'm afraid. To fix
that you'd have to redefine \cite and friends. It's probably going to be
easier to run the tex output through a script (python, sed, whatever).
You could do most of the work with apalike, then switch over at the very
end.

rh